So wuttayano, I got response to my post Are you a Non-believe II, a post in response to a post titled, " My Atheism Is Not A Rejection Of Your God", which is a response to my original Are You a Non-Believer post. Basically I'm stating that atheist can not practice disbelief, so they resort to being indisposed about perpetual things, like the words "in God we trust" being on American currency.

This is what the non-believer had to say about my last post on the subject...

This guy has no idea what he's talking about. "In God We Trust" isn't
offensive because it's "distracting". It's offensive because it is our
government, which is supposed to represent everyone, basically saying "real
Americans believe in God". It relegates atheists to second-class status. How
many times have you heard someone (like, say, George Bush 41) say that atheists
aren't real patriots or real Americans because "this is one nation under God" or
try to claim that this is a Christian nation because it says right on your money
"In God We Trust"? I know I've heard arguments like that from a lot of people.
These supposedly benign examples of "ceremonial deism" actually do cause
problems for atheists, and they are real problems.


It's simply false to claim that atheists are trying to remove God from
everything or from everywhere. We're trying to get God out of our government
(yes, it's our government too). You would throw a fit if our government declared
"Allah is Great" (implying that Islam was true), so why would you have a problem
with atheists who don't think "In God We Trust" should be an official statement
from the government?

('this guy' refers to me)

sigh

Primarily, I find it strange that when making an argument one would dare use someone as sophomoric as George W. Bush. Personally, I have never heard of, or referred to, atheist as 'un-American' or 'not real patriots'. If anything I have heard of, or referred to, atheist as heathens, which by definition they are. Regardless of that, theoretically, America is a 'Christian Nation' because the founders were christian, and every president has professed a faith in Christianity. On that basic premise, we can say that we live in a christian nation - not because of print on pecuniary paper. What truly bothers me on this argument is that its never addressed, or seemingly realized, that despite the country being found on Christianity, they still saw it fit to separate church from state, in order not to impose, or require, others to practice their religion(but slaves were okay but I wont go there).

Are atheist aware that most countries only have one religion that allowed to be openly practiced?

If the words, 'In God We Trust' gets removed from money, then whats next? No prayer in public?

Yes, atheist are wanting to remove God from everything and everywhere. God is only in the government to the extent of the beliefs of the government officials. If it were anything else then atheist would probably be hung and drowned like witches were back in the 18th century. They claimed to be 'relegated as 2nd class' citizens? That seems strange, as I never heard of an atheist being beat, stabbed, shot or killed for their DISBELIEF.

Any way, Stop your pissing and moaning an atheist has a better shot of becoming president than a Muslim. The only reason the atheist would lose is because they would only be concerned about removing words from American currency and ridding government establishments of religious facets. ~ LMAO!

In all seriousness, since you want to use American Presidents as examples, then use our current one, President Obama, as an example too. I recall in his inauguration speech that he called everyone, including, and I quote, "NON-BELIEVERS" as Americans, all equal. Despite that he still continued to display and profess HIS belief, while not spiting another belief, or dis-belief...

and he does the same here when he speaks at this prayer breakfast...
(Its ok to watch this atheist. No one prays during this clip and God is only mentioned once.)

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So wuttayano, I got response to my post Are you a Non-believe II, a post in response to a post titled, " My Atheism Is Not A Rejection Of Your God", which is a response to my original Are You a Non-Believer post. Basically I'm stating that atheist can not practice disbelief, so they resort to being indisposed about perpetual things, like the words "in God we trust" being on American currency.

This is what the non-believer had to say about my last post on the subject...

This guy has no idea what he's talking about. "In God We Trust" isn't
offensive because it's "distracting". It's offensive because it is our
government, which is supposed to represent everyone, basically saying "real
Americans believe in God". It relegates atheists to second-class status. How
many times have you heard someone (like, say, George Bush 41) say that atheists
aren't real patriots or real Americans because "this is one nation under God" or
try to claim that this is a Christian nation because it says right on your money
"In God We Trust"? I know I've heard arguments like that from a lot of people.
These supposedly benign examples of "ceremonial deism" actually do cause
problems for atheists, and they are real problems.


It's simply false to claim that atheists are trying to remove God from
everything or from everywhere. We're trying to get God out of our government
(yes, it's our government too). You would throw a fit if our government declared
"Allah is Great" (implying that Islam was true), so why would you have a problem
with atheists who don't think "In God We Trust" should be an official statement
from the government?

('this guy' refers to me)

sigh

Primarily, I find it strange that when making an argument one would dare use someone as sophomoric as George W. Bush. Personally, I have never heard of, or referred to, atheist as 'un-American' or 'not real patriots'. If anything I have heard of, or referred to, atheist as heathens, which by definition they are. Regardless of that, theoretically, America is a 'Christian Nation' because the founders were christian, and every president has professed a faith in Christianity. On that basic premise, we can say that we live in a christian nation - not because of print on pecuniary paper. What truly bothers me on this argument is that its never addressed, or seemingly realized, that despite the country being found on Christianity, they still saw it fit to separate church from state, in order not to impose, or require, others to practice their religion(but slaves were okay but I wont go there).

Are atheist aware that most countries only have one religion that allowed to be openly practiced?

If the words, 'In God We Trust' gets removed from money, then whats next? No prayer in public?

Yes, atheist are wanting to remove God from everything and everywhere. God is only in the government to the extent of the beliefs of the government officials. If it were anything else then atheist would probably be hung and drowned like witches were back in the 18th century. They claimed to be 'relegated as 2nd class' citizens? That seems strange, as I never heard of an atheist being beat, stabbed, shot or killed for their DISBELIEF.

Any way, Stop your pissing and moaning an atheist has a better shot of becoming president than a Muslim. The only reason the atheist would lose is because they would only be concerned about removing words from American currency and ridding government establishments of religious facets. ~ LMAO!

In all seriousness, since you want to use American Presidents as examples, then use our current one, President Obama, as an example too. I recall in his inauguration speech that he called everyone, including, and I quote, "NON-BELIEVERS" as Americans, all equal. Despite that he still continued to display and profess HIS belief, while not spiting another belief, or dis-belief...

and he does the same here when he speaks at this prayer breakfast...
(Its ok to watch this atheist. No one prays during this clip and God is only mentioned once.)

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I did a post called, Are you a Non-Believer? a couple of months ago. That version does not really give you the detail to which piece was formed. It was actually a response to an atheist, who was ranting about having "In God We Trust" removed from currency. I edited to make it more broad but it was originally like this....

Thats the problem with non-believers. They think that best thing is to erradicate God from everything so that it will not be on their psyche, thus no longer perpetuating their conscious carnal minds from being confronted with the question of, "is there really a God?" If you are so staunch in your disbelief, why does it have to be "out of sight out of mind?" Non-believers, hate God because they can not escape the possibility of HIS existance. Therefore they are never really firm in their own disbelief because, if they were, they would not equate words on monetary pieces of paper to effect their DISBELIEF. Non-believers, are usually not FOR anything, just against everything connected to their disbelief. True believers are not mad or upset by people who choose not to believe and it does not distract them from their beleif.



SO WHY DOES THE BELIEF OF OTHERS DISTRACT THE BELIEF OF NON-BELIEVERS?

I refrained from using the term atheist but now some 2 months later I get a response. My Atheism Is Not A Rejection Of Your God, its rather long so I have an excerpt...

First and foremost it is a disbelief in a spirit-creator being who rules the universe. The idea and belief that there exists an unseen, cognitive, non-corporal, non-corporeal being that either intercedes in human affairs or abstains, is a neural process which does not operate in my mind. Efforts throughout my life to 'feel the holy spirit' or obtain this 'truth' as the faithful call it, have proven themselves to be frivolous. Though at one time many a concerted effort were made on my part to believe in and rationalize the god-being in which so many seem to have 'faith', it became evident I was not capable.

So, while you may see my disbelief as a rejection of your god, or a denial of

what I 'know' in my heart, neither is true...

Efforts to keep government secular and free of proselytization for god, whether specific or ambiguous, are not a display of hatred for your deity, merely they meant to demand an adherence to the constitution and require that the government remain neutral in the matters of faith. A display of a nativity, a menorah or any other religious symbol on, in or around a taxpayer funded government building or land by default endorses one or some faiths over others or none, immediately negating constitutional demanded neutrality.

First of all, there are a bevy of inconsistancies here, foremost being the title itself. An athiest is a person who disbelieves the existance of supreme being; And disbelief means you reject something as being true. Nonetheless, my real problem is with the latter of the statement. Why does atheist always run this seperation of church and state crap?

Can you practice disbelief?

It seems simple, if you disbelieve in something just deny it, refuse to acknowledge it and move on. But, NO, not atheist. I mean, if you disbelieved it was cold outside, you'd refuse to wear a jacket and go about you mary little way. Would you go around telling every one with a jacket on to take it off and not believe its cold? This is essentially what atheist do. They see "In God We Trust" on a dollar bill and equate that to meaning the government is forcing God on them. They walk into a government building and see a cross or a painting of Jesus or Saint Mary and think that corresponds to their constitutional rights being infringed upon. Thus, inciting the aesthetic of their corporal, or corporeal, animus.

PUH-LEZZE!

Atheist are the only people who want to put a disbelief into practice. They are no better than the religions they balk at, except they use the consituition instead of the bible. Don't get me wrong, if you choose atheism, or not to believe in God, thats your business. But it becomes DENIAL when you can not even bare the sight of a crucifix. Its DENIAL when you cringe because a group of people say "one nation under God". Its DENIAL when you see those things as an attempt to proselyte you. Fact is, the mere sight of a religious artifact is not attempt to "win your soul" - its a display of ones beleif.

Just as believers have to accept the 'practices' of an atheist disbelief, they to have to accept the practices of the believers.

I did a post called, Are you a Non-Believer? a couple of months ago. That version does not really give you the detail to which piece was formed. It was actually a response to an atheist, who was ranting about having "In God We Trust" removed from currency. I edited to make it more broad but it was originally like this....

Thats the problem with non-believers. They think that best thing is to erradicate God from everything so that it will not be on their psyche, thus no longer perpetuating their conscious carnal minds from being confronted with the question of, "is there really a God?" If you are so staunch in your disbelief, why does it have to be "out of sight out of mind?" Non-believers, hate God because they can not escape the possibility of HIS existance. Therefore they are never really firm in their own disbelief because, if they were, they would not equate words on monetary pieces of paper to effect their DISBELIEF. Non-believers, are usually not FOR anything, just against everything connected to their disbelief. True believers are not mad or upset by people who choose not to believe and it does not distract them from their beleif.



SO WHY DOES THE BELIEF OF OTHERS DISTRACT THE BELIEF OF NON-BELIEVERS?

I refrained from using the term atheist but now some 2 months later I get a response. My Atheism Is Not A Rejection Of Your God, its rather long so I have an excerpt...

First and foremost it is a disbelief in a spirit-creator being who rules the universe. The idea and belief that there exists an unseen, cognitive, non-corporal, non-corporeal being that either intercedes in human affairs or abstains, is a neural process which does not operate in my mind. Efforts throughout my life to 'feel the holy spirit' or obtain this 'truth' as the faithful call it, have proven themselves to be frivolous. Though at one time many a concerted effort were made on my part to believe in and rationalize the god-being in which so many seem to have 'faith', it became evident I was not capable.

So, while you may see my disbelief as a rejection of your god, or a denial of

what I 'know' in my heart, neither is true...

Efforts to keep government secular and free of proselytization for god, whether specific or ambiguous, are not a display of hatred for your deity, merely they meant to demand an adherence to the constitution and require that the government remain neutral in the matters of faith. A display of a nativity, a menorah or any other religious symbol on, in or around a taxpayer funded government building or land by default endorses one or some faiths over others or none, immediately negating constitutional demanded neutrality.

First of all, there are a bevy of inconsistancies here, foremost being the title itself. An athiest is a person who disbelieves the existance of supreme being; And disbelief means you reject something as being true. Nonetheless, my real problem is with the latter of the statement. Why does atheist always run this seperation of church and state crap?

Can you practice disbelief?

It seems simple, if you disbelieve in something just deny it, refuse to acknowledge it and move on. But, NO, not atheist. I mean, if you disbelieved it was cold outside, you'd refuse to wear a jacket and go about you mary little way. Would you go around telling every one with a jacket on to take it off and not believe its cold? This is essentially what atheist do. They see "In God We Trust" on a dollar bill and equate that to meaning the government is forcing God on them. They walk into a government building and see a cross or a painting of Jesus or Saint Mary and think that corresponds to their constitutional rights being infringed upon. Thus, inciting the aesthetic of their corporal, or corporeal, animus.

PUH-LEZZE!

Atheist are the only people who want to put a disbelief into practice. They are no better than the religions they balk at, except they use the consituition instead of the bible. Don't get me wrong, if you choose atheism, or not to believe in God, thats your business. But it becomes DENIAL when you can not even bare the sight of a crucifix. Its DENIAL when you cringe because a group of people say "one nation under God". Its DENIAL when you see those things as an attempt to proselyte you. Fact is, the mere sight of a religious artifact is not attempt to "win your soul" - its a display of ones beleif.

Just as believers have to accept the 'practices' of an atheist disbelief, they to have to accept the practices of the believers.

If I said it were raining outside and you chose not to believe me...
Would you not look out a window? Would you not go outside?

Thats the problem with non-believers. They think that best thing is to erradicate what they do not believe in from everything so that it will not be on their psyche, thus no longer perpetuating their conscious carnal minds from being confronted. If you are so staunch in your disbelief, why does it have to be "out of sight out of mind?" Non-believers hate because they can not escape the possibility of what they disbelieve in. Therefore they are never really firm in their own disbelief because, if they were, they would not equate anothers belief to effecting their DISBELIEF. Non-believers, are usually not FOR anything, just against everything connected to their disbelief.
True believers are not mad or upset by people who choose not to believe in what they believe and it does not distract them from their belief.

SO WHY DOES THE BELIEF OF OTHERS DISTRACT THE NON-BELIEF OF NON-BELIEVERS?

If I said it were raining outside and you chose not to believe me...
Would you not look out a window? Would you not go outside?

Thats the problem with non-believers. They think that best thing is to erradicate what they do not believe in from everything so that it will not be on their psyche, thus no longer perpetuating their conscious carnal minds from being confronted. If you are so staunch in your disbelief, why does it have to be "out of sight out of mind?" Non-believers hate because they can not escape the possibility of what they disbelieve in. Therefore they are never really firm in their own disbelief because, if they were, they would not equate anothers belief to effecting their DISBELIEF. Non-believers, are usually not FOR anything, just against everything connected to their disbelief.
True believers are not mad or upset by people who choose not to believe in what they believe and it does not distract them from their belief.

SO WHY DOES THE BELIEF OF OTHERS DISTRACT THE NON-BELIEF OF NON-BELIEVERS?